מְהָרְסַיִךְ וּמַחֲרִיבַיִךְ מִמֵּךְ יֵצֵאוּ؟؟
You have GOT to be kidding me.
One particular section of Greg at Presence's summary of R' Yitzchok Adlerstein's Scholar-in-Residence Shabbos jumped out at me:
Okay, so I heard a while ago that there are lots of wannabe Yeshivish guys at YU, and a whole bunch of rebbeim who don't actually believe in Torah uMada‘, Torah ‘im Derekh Eretz, or any other Modern Orthodox ideology. But to think that right there at the supposed heart of the Modern Orthodox world there are people who are so anti-worldly, so vindictive, so ignorant of Jewish tradition that they would literally 'shop around' from Hhareidi community to Hhareidi community trying to ruin a man's life and precipitate the Great Orthodox Schism of the 21st Century?!
There's got to be a break someplace in the telephone chain here.
I can't believe this.
And I really hope I'm right.
One particular section of Greg at Presence's summary of R' Yitzchok Adlerstein's Scholar-in-Residence Shabbos jumped out at me:
R. Adlerstein closed by answering questions. I asked how the rabbonim in Israel, who themselves speak either Yiddish or Hebrew, and little English, became aware of a book [=R' Slifkin's] written in English. R. Adlerstein acknowledged that the rabbis banning the book did not read it, and that this was not an issue that was at all pertinent to their communities. What happened was that two overzealous YU guys read Slifkin's work and started shopping it around in an effort to get it banned. After failing to get any traction in Monsey and Lakewood, they took it to B'nei Brak and Israel and finally found someone that would listen to them.
רחמנא ליצלן מנפשנא.
Okay, so I heard a while ago that there are lots of wannabe Yeshivish guys at YU, and a whole bunch of rebbeim who don't actually believe in Torah uMada‘, Torah ‘im Derekh Eretz, or any other Modern Orthodox ideology. But to think that right there at the supposed heart of the Modern Orthodox world there are people who are so anti-worldly, so vindictive, so ignorant of Jewish tradition that they would literally 'shop around' from Hhareidi community to Hhareidi community trying to ruin a man's life and precipitate the Great Orthodox Schism of the 21st Century?!
There's got to be a break someplace in the telephone chain here.
I can't believe this.
And I really hope I'm right.
carved on the walls of the caverns by Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) at 3/30/2007 08:32:00 AM
4 Comments:
Sadly, from a psychological point of view this makes perfect sense. Someone totally outside the Torah U'madda world would not feel threatened by Slifkin's work, and would not be motivated to fight it. To one leading an insular chareidi life, Slifkin would be as irrelevant as Spinoza, Darwin, or the New Testament. It would be dafka a RW-YU person who might feel looked down upon or excluded by the "real" yeshiva world, and would have something to prove by vehemently distancing themselves from ideas like Slifkin's. Very depressing
oh dear.
things like this make you want to cry. Perhaps we should sugest to the rabbis in question that they read the book, or have it translated to them?
one might as well ban ariyeh kaplan and the ramban too along with many others if they're going to take such a rediculous stance.
wait, I forgot, artscroll already selectively translates things it likes and does not like. my bad.
To be fair, the type of YU guy that was referred to was the just-back-from-Israel-not-frum-in-high-school-but-God's-gift-to-Judaism type that we are oh-so-familiar with. There are plenty of guys at YU, usually the ones that go on to smicha and kollel, that don't have a chip on their shoulder.
I have an idea - lets ban the Rambam!
As I understand it, some believe that his books insult Torah, and furthermore are speculative heresy.
The whole concept of Torah having a metaphoric component is also problematic.
Regarding the Ramban's scientific writings, the ban on anyone under twenty five studying secular science should be re-inforced.
Ignorance is bliss.
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