Monday, October 30, 2006

חלום באספמיא בגרממיא


בראשית י' ב'
בְּנֵי יֶפֶת: גֹּמֶר וּמָגוֹג וּמָדַי וְיָוָן וְתֻבָל וּמֶשֶׁךְ וְתִירָס.

בבלי יומא י' א'
בני יפת: גומר ומגוג ומדי ויון ותובל ומשך ותירס.
גומר זה גרממיא, מגוג זו קנדיא, מדי זו מקדוניא, יון כמשמעו...

תורה תמימה
א) וכן הגירסא בירושלמי מגילה פ"א ה"ט ובערוך ערך גרממיא, בשניהם במ"ם, ויתכן דגירסא זו מכוונת אל תרגום הפסוק ביחזקאל (כ"ז י"ד) מבית תוגרמה — ממדינת גרממיא, והגר"א הגיה בגמרא כאן גרמניא בנו"ן, וכנראה כיון לגירסת תרגום יונתן... אבל לא נתבאר לי למה הכריע כגירסת תר"י נגד גירסת הגמרא הבבלית והירושלמית וגירסת הערוך, וצ"ע.

Information on the Roman provinces of Hispania and Germania at Wikipedia.

VideoBloggage:
(videoblogging idea completely plagiarized from rabbi josh waxman)
runtime: 6:16

just ignore the 'frummy' poster falling off the wall behind me, please

28 Comments:

Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

Are you going to stop typing your blogposts, and just videoblog them?

That would be a shame. As cool as your video-shi`ur is, it takes far longer to watch your shi`ur than to read it. Did you deliver this shi`ur at all at school?

And check out the payet (piyyut) that I have posted on the comment thread of the immediately-below post.

10/31/2006 8:04 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Naaaa, this was just an experiment inspired by the Parsha Blog. I thought it was a nice short post to try in video format. I did not say anything about this in school, since we're nowheres near Noahh in any of my classes. Expect some school-related stuff on Avraham's family soon, though.

Very cool-looking pyyt there, i'll look at it more closely later.

10/31/2006 9:38 AM  
Anonymous brother gomer said...

I can't watch your video at work. Transcript please!

Also, the link to the Roman Empire map doesn't work.

10/31/2006 11:03 AM  
Anonymous Mike Koplow said...

Steg,

You might find this interesting: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19600 (referring back to your earlier post on the curse of Ham). I haven't read the linked article yet, or the book it reviews, and you may need a free registration to read the article on-line.

10/31/2006 12:24 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

brother pyle:

oh just be patient and watch it at home :-P .
and the link(s) ha(s/ve) been changed.

mike koplow:

very interesting. i remember in college coming across a book like that, which argued that the 'curse of Hham = black slavery' idea came from Islam.
registration to read it online looked to be not quite free, unless i clicked the wrong thing.

10/31/2006 12:37 PM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

(1) "Brother pyle"?

(2) "Curse of Ham"-- oh, is that why we're not allowed to eat ham?

10/31/2006 3:20 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Mar:

Gomer. Pyle.

one of my students wrote a midrash last year on how we're not allowed to eat ham because God saved us from eretz Hham

10/31/2006 4:51 PM  
Anonymous brother gomer said...

i finally watched it. that is freaky trippy.

10/31/2006 10:45 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

trippy?

did i accidentally add in some psychedelic backgrounds or something without noticing? :-P

10/31/2006 10:52 PM  
Blogger joshwaxman said...

nice!
I gave a link-to, and embedded the video, at parshablog.

11/01/2006 5:32 PM  
Blogger Lipman said...

Just watching this.

Is Kandia already = Crete, or at least the place on the Peloponnese?

Madhino = city is more Arab, and madhino = state is more Israeli Ivrit, I'd say. (Not a big deal, but in the case of Germamyo, there's no need to go further than the normal meanings of "province" or "region", "loosely defined entity".)

You say, we* pronounced n before y as m. (*This common use of 'we' is worth another post.)

How about the following idea?

A. Either every syllable-closing former m was pronounced n (yes, this way) or, as in Spanish today, any nasal consonant, whatever its etymological nature, was partly assimilated (scil. concerning the place of articulation) to the following consonant. (This doesn't only mean m, n, ng, but also sounds that are common, but hardly known consciously by most people, like the labio-dental nasal ɱ.

B. So, we didn't hear a difference if some Roman occupier just said germamyo or germanyo.

C. In foreign words, there was no orthographical help from etymologically related words or from the knowledge of older written texts.

D. In such a case, written m or n were chosen randomly, or even hypercorrectly, because we were told we always said n for m.

11/02/2006 5:50 AM  
Anonymous chizki said...

Steg,

At 1:13 on the video, I think I hear you pronouncing "et cetera" as "ex cetera." Tell me it ain't so!

11/02/2006 7:48 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Lipman:

No idea about Kandia. It seems to be a name for the city of Iraklion on Crete, but it looks pretty late from the little i could skim on it.

Thanks for the suggestions for məḑīnŏ, i'm just stuck in that black-and-white binomial thought system ;-) .

Can't wait for your post on "we".

Interesting theory about the nasal consonants. Is there written evidence of assimilation, say, ים- before labials **im particular?

11/02/2006 9:51 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

chizki:

actually, it does sound so :-) . exétera. What can i say? I am a proud Descriptive Linguist and speaker of my native dialect and idiolect. Just because i *know* that for all intents and purposes isn't meant to be pronounced for all intensive purposes doesn't mean that i can't continuing the way i grew up saying it before i realized it was wrong. I also pronounce "clothes" as clodes. At least i don't pronounce "nuclear" as nucular ;-) .

I was actually more worried about the fact that when i looked over the video it definitely sounded to me like i was pronoucing the name of the masekhet Yuma/Yoma as Yona, although for a Germanya/Germamya post it's amusingly appropriate. :-P

11/02/2006 9:57 AM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

Kandia = Canada, obviously. What are you, a koifer?

11/02/2006 11:03 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Canadia. You know, where Canadians come from.

mechutzaf.

11/02/2006 11:09 AM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=canadia

11/02/2006 12:39 PM  
Blogger Lipman said...

Nono, the official name of that US state up there or what it is, is Cadana. Otherwise their country code plate would be CND, not CDN.

But aren't all Jbloggers except for The Florida Lady Canadians?

11/03/2006 6:56 AM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

The Florida Lady = Toby Katz?

11/03/2006 7:56 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

you speak with much less alacrity in person.for an inpatient person such as myself this could be a better way for us to converse ;)

11/03/2006 10:41 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

amshinover:

sounds like a plan, so where's your "vlog"? ;-)

it's a lot easier to speak fast when you have time to rehearse what you're going to say.

11/05/2006 12:59 PM  
Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Steg: OK, youve hooked me for good on vblogging.

I need a full scale lesson on how to get it all together (what s/w do you use to put in the comments?)

(Oh, I watched the whole thing...nice!)

11/07/2006 6:25 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Jameel:

cool, just remember when it comes to videos SHORTER is better!

also see the ParshaBlog for a lot more examples of good videos.

I used iMovie for the whole thing, it has some built-in features like that.

11/07/2006 8:41 AM  
Blogger Warren Burstein said...

According to bablefish, the way they say חלום in Aspamia, is sueños. And has anyone considered the possibility that Aspamia is a former Vikings territory, where all the bloody spam comes from?

By the way, low volume, I was made to wear headphones.

11/07/2006 2:31 PM  
Blogger Ha-historion said...

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11/08/2006 1:07 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

not cool, steven.
not cool.

you can advertize your blog, sure, but only if you leave some kind of substantive comment! and on two different posts, too?

11/08/2006 11:37 AM  
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11/08/2006 12:50 PM  
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