Wednesday, March 01, 2006

מרץ בד"ץ

Hhareidi woman on Meretz's list.

Read all about it!

I saw those I believe in God, but I will separate religion and state banners in Jerusalem, but went by too fast to get a good look. I assumed they were from a Reform or Conservative member of the Meretz party, fighting for recognition by the Chief Rabbinate or something like that. Turns out it's so much more interesting...

11 Comments:

Anonymous brother nadav said...

That's awesome!! I love the universe!

3/01/2006 6:19 PM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

It is interesting.

Although, one might wonder whether to classify such a person as Chareidiyyo. (She says: "I am saying that I cannot force my values on people who do not share this value system".)

Eh, if she defines herself as Chareidiyyo, I guess that's what she is. Let's support self-definition.

3/01/2006 6:42 PM  
Blogger The Jewropean said...

The real "new" thing is that she'S Chareidi. Datim leumim like Avraham Burg or R. Michael Melchior shlita have been in favor of seperation of religion and state for a long time.

3/01/2006 9:17 PM  
Anonymous willendorf said...

I think I'm in love.

3/01/2006 9:50 PM  
Blogger Lipman said...

Great. Now that we finally separated church and state in Israel (we have, haven't we? I should check that article you link some time), let's proceed to the next step and confess Israel isn't a Jewish state.

3/02/2006 7:30 AM  
Blogger Lipman said...

Just read the article. She had a dog for 17 years, is pro-gay marriage, a strong (non-theological) Zionist, says there's no reason for her to ask her rabbi about her Knesset candidacy, thinks it's wrong chareidim don't work, and so forth.

She might be right or wrong on each of these issues, but chareidi she isn't. I'd say she's a rather individualist observant Jew, living in a mainly chareidi neighbourhood and probably using chareidi facilities.

3/02/2006 7:39 AM  
Blogger Mar Gavriel said...

Lipman:

I repeat: Eh, if she defines herself as Chareidiyyo, I guess that's what she is. Let's support self-definition. Especially if we ourselves do not fall into the category that she claims for herself.

3/02/2006 8:13 AM  
Anonymous brother nadav said...

It's entirely possible that her "Charedish" qualities grossly outnumber the "non-Charedish" qualities that w'all (we all -- that was for the dikduk geeqs) think are so fascinating. It's not in the style of a newspaper to list all the ways she *IS* "charedi" -- that's boring.

Side comment: labels are for cans, not for people :)

3/02/2006 11:07 AM  
Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Sorry, but I don't get all bent out of shape when I see Greenfield.

She's been getting money for YEARS from the EU to further THEIR agenda.

She may call herself Chareidi, but she's a total outcast and not accepted by anyone in the Chareidi community...or the Chardal community...and only the left wing of the Dati Leumi community.

Funded by the EU? No thanks.

3/02/2006 4:52 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Jameel:

Who's getting bent out of shape?

Hmm... left wing of the Dati Le`umi community... sounds good to me!

3/02/2006 8:15 PM  
Blogger Lipman said...

MG and Brother Nadav -

that doesn't make sense. OK, support self-definition, and let's bury the labels right away. But then don't tell me she's chareidi - we just buries this label.

Are we back to the 70s, or what?

3/03/2006 11:12 AM  

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