Tuesday, May 09, 2006

The Great Orthodox Schism Escalates

A few months ago the Great Orthodox Schism of the 21st Century was just polemics and brawls — now we're moving on to WHOLESALE DISENFRANCHISEMENT?

Check out the ADDeRabbi's frightening read of the Rabbanut/RCA conversion scandal.

Hold on to your knit yarmulkas and jean skirts, Orthodox boys and girls, it looks like it's gonna be a bumpy ride...

17 Comments:

Anonymous big brother said...

Told you it was coming...and it's not going to be a schism, it's gonna be a full-force explosion. There won't be a group left with any kind of Orthodox cred left recognized by anyone beyond their dalet amot. The whole self-devouring mass will dissolve into the dust.
And we'll be living in a post-denominational paradise.
(Once we convince the Conservatives, Reforms, etc. to join our implosion).

5/09/2006 8:48 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

How do you reconcile

There won't be a group left with any kind of Orthodox cred left recognized by anyone beyond their dalet amot.

with

And we'll be living in a post-denominational paradise.

?

5/09/2006 9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

conservative seems to be imploding just fine on its own. reform might need a little convincing still, but Im really not up to date on it.
-sarah m

5/09/2006 10:48 PM  
Anonymous big brother said...

I reconcile them because that's what a post-denominational paradise *is*: the illusions of party unity and sect cohesion are stripped away, and we see that ultimately everyone really does have their own personal set of beliefs and practices about Judaism that *don't* mesh with anyone else's -- we're all free agents, acting out halacha or not in the way we see fit.

5/09/2006 11:07 PM  
Blogger Ezzie said...

Hold on to your knit yarmulkas and jean skirts, Orthodox boys and girls,

You stereotyper you. :P

5/10/2006 12:53 AM  
Blogger BZ said...

If things don't work out for the Modern Orthodox folks, you're totally invited to our rocking separation-of-church-and-state party.

5/10/2006 7:55 AM  
Anonymous big brother said...

BZ - thanks! But some of "us" were already there. (i.e. Leibowitz, Meimad, etc.)

5/10/2006 8:48 AM  
Blogger Ezer K'negdo said...

I'm all for post-denominationalism. If that's a word. But if it isn't, we'll just add it on our own :-)

5/10/2006 1:28 PM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

Brother:

But wouldn't that only be a paradise if people are able to create postdenominational communities? What if everyone just trusts their own daled amot and that's it?

Ezzie:

Well i certainly couldn't say "hold onto your hats", could i? :-P

BZ:

Is it really rocking? It's always sound like a lot of angsty kvetching to me... or maybe that's just because it's rocking to emo music?

Ezer:

But I can totally see the Postdenominationalists getting into fights with the Nondenominationalists and the Transdenominationalists... and then everyone gets sick of long words and replaces "denomination" with sect, so you've got the Transsectuals, etc....

5/10/2006 2:15 PM  
Anonymous big brother said...

Woohoo!! Transsectuals! Hot.

But anyway:
I think it's a post-denominational paradise because people would be forced to deal with the rest of the Jewish community. A sect of dalet amot is a lonely place to be, within a religion/nation of millions, and any communal endeavor would have to bring together people of these different sects. Everyone would be forced to choose -- really deal with Jews you disagree with, or never acknowledge kinship with anyone outside your shul. The rejectionists would fall out of the Jewish people, and the ones who put in the hard work to find commond ground and work together would usher in a postdenominational paradise.

And if you don't like that scenario, here's another reason it would be a postdenominational paradise: people would be forced to use real labels that actually describe Jews, shuls, and communities. As opposed to category-signifiers that don't really say much, except to the shallow and unworldly, like "Orthodox", "Conservative", "Reform".

5/10/2006 3:35 PM  
Blogger Ezer K'negdo said...

LOL! Nice one. Ditto what BB said.

5/10/2006 6:11 PM  
Blogger Amishav said...

Is it post denominational if everyone thinks that everyone else is a heretic?

5/10/2006 11:05 PM  
Anonymous big brother said...

Amishav -

Yeah. It is. Because you're relating to other Jews as individuals or as shuls, not as these innaccurate denominational categories.

The hope is that you (generic you) see through this change in paradigm that what we have in common is much stronger than what we don't, and then you actually work together with all the heretics on the Jewish resources you all need and the Jewish projects you all want.

5/11/2006 11:12 AM  
Blogger the sabra said...

steg, you left a comment on jameels blog about ur story with the telemarketer and your brother.

dont joke about stuff like that.

5/12/2006 2:41 AM  
Blogger Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) said...

the sabra:

read the story again, i wasn't involved.

5/12/2006 8:50 AM  
Blogger Amishav said...

Hey Big Brother-

As far as I'm concerned all Jews are linked even if a whole bunch don't think that they are. I temple hop enough to see a whole bunch of different sides to the community here in Colorado and its very clear to me that secular Jews need religious Jews and visa versa- it would be great to get past all the interdenominational fingerpointing and exclusions.

5/14/2006 2:16 PM  
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